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Post by LILY JANE POTTER on Apr 30, 2011 11:55:53 GMT
Okay as we have a group growing for the death eater children, i think we need to think about something for the children who are supporting the order etc.
This would need to be lead by Harry, so if fits with our plot and prophecy, however i think there could be perhaps two other characters that support Harry, I also think that there would be some good plotting with Cadences character as she’s a seer, so perhaps we could think about that too.
Anyway, ideas etc please below =]
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Post by KALIN TREY ELPHICK on Apr 30, 2011 18:26:19 GMT
Well... it was kinda touched upon this in the other thread... the fact that there really is no need for a secret group like the DA because Umbridge isn't here to outlaw it. I think all they would really be doing is the same sort of stuff that the dueling club is supposed to provide, so I'm not sure what else they would be doing. There isn't really a need for a secret defense group when the whole school is sort of geared toward the same goal, you know? I don't know, that's just my take on it....
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Post by HARRY JAMES POTTER on Apr 30, 2011 22:35:25 GMT
I did have a good solid reason for the DA. Following the fight with Fabien, Harry was going to start it because Obviously Voldemort was recruiting children. But since Lost isn't on, and the fight hasn't really 'happened' that idea was blown out the window.
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Post by HANNAH ROSE ABBOTT on Apr 30, 2011 22:50:26 GMT
Well, if Harry or someone found out that Voldemort was recruiting students, then that is what the justification for created the DA would be. Maybe Cadence saw a vision of Voldemort recruiting the students and either told Harry herself, or let it slip to someone and it came back to Harry?
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Post by CHARLOTTE REAGAN LEROUX on May 1, 2011 7:13:55 GMT
Why would Voldemort recruiting students cause anyone to make a secret defense group? It's not like the Order would be recruiting students from the DA... I just don't really see what the point of a secret group is when most of the school is geared towards defense anyways.
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Post by LEAH KALYN ROOKWOOD on May 1, 2011 16:38:49 GMT
Perhaps Harry would suspect that the slytherin students were creating some sort of group, and concerned for students safety set up a group as a sort of like 'watch' to protect vulnerable students, and perhaps to try to work out what the slytherins are up to?
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Post by HARRY JAMES POTTER on May 2, 2011 0:33:14 GMT
That could work. But with his parents paying so much attention to him, how would he go about making and planning it?
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Post by KALIN TREY ELPHICK on May 2, 2011 2:32:46 GMT
That's the thing..... I still don't get why there's a need for a "secret" group if there's no reason to keep it a secret. Most of the professors at Hogwarts are rallying for the same cause and there's no one to outlaw groups like that so they wouldn't really get in trouble if they were caught, so why would it need to be a secret?
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Post by KADEY MEREDYDD CHAHANDRA on May 2, 2011 9:45:37 GMT
perhaps because of the attacks on the students Harry thinks that the dueling club isn't enough so forms the group as a way of keeping an eye on the other students/protecting them?
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Post by KALIN TREY ELPHICK on May 2, 2011 16:29:26 GMT
I still don't see the need for a secret group. If Harry's concerned for the safety of students, that's something he should bring up to a professor or something.
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Post by APRIL LILY POTTER on May 2, 2011 21:34:59 GMT
Okay, so I had this mega weird dream last night:  Because the Dark Lord's little minions (DLLM) are inside the school, the Order can't really 'do' anything because its in Hogwarts grounds. I saw this group being formed because the adults don't want to get involved with the battle (in hogwarts anyway) and they tried to discourage anyone else from trying. So it's sort of like a group to rebell the adults reasoning, while the kids try and work out a way to kick the DLLM out of Hogwarts. Maybe it's all about the group forming an alliance among themselves as being the first line of defense in trying to foil some evil plan from happening? Maybe a spy network among the kids? |
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Post by LILY JANE POTTER on May 3, 2011 20:08:43 GMT
Yeh I think it would be used as a spy network, im not being funny but on countless occasions in the books, Harry and Co have done things in secret because the adults can't or won't do anything about it. I don't see the harm in them setting up a group because they are suspicious of the children death eaters and want to not only try to keep an eye on them but keep up with their learning etc etc, as well as trying to protect younger more vulnerable students.
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Post by PIPER ANDROMEDA LUPIN on May 3, 2011 23:17:39 GMT
I don't know. Maybe I'm just being difficult but I still see no reason for a secret group. I agree that the adults wouldn't want to battle anyone inside Hogwarts because of course it puts all the students at risk, but there wouldn't necessarily be a battle if Harry or someone just told an adult about his suspicions. The adults definitely would do something about it if they had reason to believe something was going on, and as for not being able to do anything, well.... if the adults can't do anything about it, what makes you think kids could do it? None of this makes any sense to me.
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Post by HANNAH ROSE ABBOTT on May 4, 2011 1:12:50 GMT
Well, I would think that it would be best to keep the group secret, so the death eater students don't hear about it. At this point, there is no need to provoke a fight. I don't know, but I think that if the death eater students group heard about what was forming, then it might cause fights to happen at Hogwarts. At least the dueling club is just centered on dueling, which both sides would have an interest in pursuing. By keeping an idea like the DA secret, it would allow Harry and Co to keep a watch on things without raising tensions any more than what they already are. |
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Post by HARRY JAMES POTTER on May 5, 2011 13:14:17 GMT
I really like Sarah's idea. (the DLLM made me laugh). And I could see why that would be kept a secret from the adults. Like Slayer mentioned, although out the book, Harry and CO. did things that the Professors wouldn't have approved of. They kept them a secret just for that reason, or even if they suspected the Adults wouldn't like the idea. And 9/10 times that they went to a Professor for help on something serious, they weren't believed anyways.
Even if there isn't a solid 'reason' for all of us to believe that the group needs to be secret.... children will be children and keep things from parents/adults just on principle. While there may not be a real reason to NOT tell the adults about their little group, they may keep their mouths shut simply because they feel the adults wouldn't approve of the idea in the first place.
uncertainty about group = secret group
As for the reason for forming the group... well, that's pretty much been set out already. Harry, and those who want to help him manage the DA, could feel that the things they are learning from the Dueling Club just isn't enough. Being that the Dueling Club is being taught as volunteer subject, the Professor's wouldn't be able to teach them anything that the M.O.M. would feel is inappropriate. Harry and a few others could feel that this isn't enough because, let's face it... Voldie and his group don't care what the M.O.M. feels isn't child safe. So they could probably try and learn some more advanced charms and spells (Harry could probably pretend to ask James about some of that for interest in being an Auror after school, or by taking some of his more advanced books without his Dad knowing).
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